Always a Bridesmaid...
Those of you that know me are probably well aware that I am very passionate on the issue of gay rights, most 'specially and simply the right to marry. I don't want to write a big long rant that you've heard before, and besides, the kind of people I have around me are the kind of people who agree on this subject anyway. Suffice it to say, I believe the sanctity of marriage is a big crock of shit, and trotting it out as an argument against gay marriage is ridiculous. I am divorced, from a Catholic wedding, no less, so I feel like I've pretty much shit on the sanctity of marriage. Yet if Shmee and I wanted to, we could go get married right now, tonight (don't worry honey; I'm not asking). Dan Savage, of my beloved Savage Love took his boyfriend, a lesbian friend, and her girlfriend to obtain a marriage certificate. He and one of the women applied for and received a marriage license, all the while loudly making it clear that they were just doing it for fun, and that they were both gay and involved with other people. The whole article is here; and a pretty funny read. Where is the sanctity in that marriage?
So I was very pleasantly surprised to read this article about our own Terminator signing a bill that that furthers the cause a little bit. I know it's not the whole shebang, and I know that maybe it's even a diversionary tactic. But I don't believe change happens all at once, and he still just made things better than they were.
Thanks Arnold, and maybe now I can forgive you for Jingle All the Way.
posted by The Noillyprat Cat @ 2:40 PM
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Gay Rights?!?! Gay rights?? Why is it that sexual orientation constitutes the necessity for special rights?? I have never seen anyone who is gay be denied a job, be denied the freedom of speech or in fact be denied anything related to the US constitution. So, when it comes to rights, they are as equal as any other person in the United States. So, they can't be married. I completely believe that they should not be allowed to be married due to what the institution of marriage originally stood for. Marriage was a way of bringing a man and a woman before god to be recognized as one.
Yes, it is true this whole ideal has very much become an outdated concept. Saying that what is wrong with trying to keep SOME sort of sanctity and goodness in SOMEthing today? I think the ideal is a beautiful thing and should be celebrated as such rather than made a mockery of. If all people want is to be recognized as together, fine. My idea is that they be recognized civilly so they can obtain the same benefits and tax breaks a married couple could but that's IT! Why should 2 same sex people be allowed to marry? It's wrong. Plain and simple. I base that on as already mentioned the whole original ideal of what marriage is about.
Regarding the prospect of a Catholic wedding. That to me is no more sorted and hypocritical than the idea of gay people being allowed to marry. Saying all this, I think what people are trying to say when trying to ban gay marriage is this: Marriage is the institution originally intended for man and woman to be joined together before God. And that's it really. If we want to start changing this, then we need to look at other possibilities.
Now, I think it is HILARIOUS that Arnold is trying to champion this cause. Considering he is a republican he must be real popular in his party right about now. So long as there are more people (especially those in political power) who oppose such things, I think the world is that much of a better place. We have allowed things to go too far. Nothing is sacred any more. Nothing is there to represent the goodness any more. People are crying out for a more liberal, be kind to animals, touchy feely world. Just think what kind of world that would be. I wouldn't want to be a part of it. Would there be anything proper and good any more? I'm thinking not.
I was debating whether or not to respond because I really don't want to turn this into any kind of debate. It was a post I made stating my opinions, on my little corner of the world. But since Joe sums up what my response would have been so succinctly, I'll leave it at that and let it go.
Also, while I'm very happy that anybody is reading me at all and chooses to respond and share their own opinions, I believe one gets more respect when putting their name on their words.
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You just happen to be in an earlier timezone! I was thinking all the way into work what I was going to write, but nooooooooooooooo I get here and you've already done it...
motherfuck, what is up with it making me post anonymously?
Or even controversy.
Chimpo preempted my response. If one is going to make a bold statement "I am very passionate on the issue of gay rights, most 'specially and simply the right to marry" one must be prepared for a backlash of comments.
My name is Martin and I live in New York. I have gay friends and some not all agree that the whole "gay rights" fad and believe me it is a fad has gone too far. Gays feel discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. Fair enough. You have to bear in mind that they are going to have to overcome centuries of belief and teachings that homosexuality is evil and deviant. So, you can understand why there would be a band wagon trying to prevent them from being married. I'm not religious, I don't attend church, I do believe in God and I truly believe that weddings are a beautiful sacred thing. Nothing to be taken lightly.
In between being told to "get the head out of the ass", etc. Joey from the block made a good point. The government should not hand out marriage licenses at all. That definitely sends out a conflicting message and takes away from the argument that marriages are supposed to be a church type affair (which Noillyprat so eloquently pointed out). I don't care about any of that. I only wanted to point out that gay rights is a misnomer. There is no validity to the subject of gay rights. If anything is a "crock of shit" that is. Even SOME of my gay friends agree. And those same friends agree that a percentage of the gay population do not do themselves any favors by being so blatantly flamboyant and "in your face". Fine, you're gay, who gives a shit!
That's the only point I wanted to make.
PS If you are so against the sanctity of marriage, why are you a bridesmaid in your friends wedding? Isn't that a tad hypocritical?
So argumentative! I am not bothered by your response, I simply don't agree with it and don't wish to go back and forth over something that really can't be resolved. We're not going to change each other's minds.
But to answer a couple specific points: I don't believe that gay people deserve special rights, just equal rights. I know there's a stigma as old as ages attached and I know that won't just disappear. But I also know I should do my best to help it do just that.
I'm the maid of honor in my best friend of 10 years wedding. I am supporting her because she believes this wedding means something and I care about her enough to not apply my politics to her. Hypocritical would be ME getting married, and trust me, I'm not going to do that.
And lastly, I completely agree that Big Flaming Queers who think they need to push it in everyone's face do a lot of harm to the whole situation.
Anyway, I really think this is getting nitpicky and bickery and I don't care to carry it on. I'm glad that you stumbled across me for whatever reason, I'm glad you took the time to share your thoughts on the matter, but this really isn't what I wanted this blog to be about.
Oh, and Chimpo likes to work in calling me a whore of any kind whenever he gets the chance. Don't mean nothing. I think when he says it he really means "I love you".
Thank you!
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